| Camposol
Residents Association
Central Liason Committee
27th Meeting Wednesday. 21st November
Those
Present:
Roy
Pugh Chairman
Brian Tokely Vice Chair
Mary Cooper Secretary/Treasurer
Barry Cooper Member
Irache Merino Member
Max Minter Member
Ken Richardson Member
Joyce Stewart Member
Meeting
started on time at 14.30pm.
Minutes
of Committee Meeting held 21st November 2007
and Masa Meeting held 25th October 2007
The
chairman began by saying that due to Mary´s accident she
had been unable to type up the minutes and it had been necessary
to co-opt the services of a shorthand typist to whom Mary had
dictated the minutes.
He
then went on to review the minutes.
Minutes
were accepted as a true record with no amendments.
Proposed
by Brian Tokely, seconded by Ken Richardson..............Carried.
Matters Arising:
Touristica;
Roy informed the committee that he had been contacted by both
ITVand the BBC, in his capacity as Chair of the CRA. Both were
requesting a statement from him about the subsidence problems
on Camposol. He had refused to make any comment at this time,
as we are awaiting our Lawyers Report. He asked the committee;
If , when we have this report and have studied it, and if Masa
then offer no satisfactory answers, would the committee feel a
statement should be made? He would be willing to do so but would
not want to comment only on subsidence but comment on the whole
state of affairs re. Camposol.
Decision
to be made after receiving Lawyers Report.
Landscaping;
Brian reported that a group of residents on D have worked together
to turn an empty piece of land into a pleasant area with plants
and seating. He suggested that Rod Sawyer be asked to do a feature
about this in the Courier and say that Masa and the Ayuntamiento
might take note of what can be done, and pointing out that it
is they who should be creating and funding landscaping not the
residents.
Irache said it should be remembered that the more we do for ouselves,
the more it will look like a private estate, and the less inclined
the Council could be to include Camposol as part of Mazarrón.
Proposed
by Barry and seconded by Ken that Brian´s suggestion be
implemented....Carried.
Action: Roy to contact Rod.
Ambulance
Station;
Chair informed that he had been in touch with The Lions for information
as to where the Ambulance will be stationed. Their belief is that
it will be next to Marianos, as will the Clinic.
Lawyer´s
Report.
Chairman is going to put a piece in the Courier re the lengthy
wait for the Report. Whilst we accept that new laws passed in
August have had to be integrated into the report, and we know
that Joaquin gives us more hours work than we pay him for, Roy
will also ask that Joaquin realise that the CRA is under pressure
from all sides to produce the report.
Action:
Roy Pugh
Fundraising
and Entertainment:
Max
reported that the Bonus Ball and the Car Boot stall are both doing
well in raising much needed
funds.
The planned Auction needs more quality goods to sell.
He also still needs an Auctioneer, and help to keep records and
collect money.
Mary offered such help as she can give, and Joyce also offered
to help.
We are in desperate need of storage space for Car Boot goods,
and more volunteers are needed to help with fundraising.
He asked that a piece be put in the Courier asking for volunteers.
The venues and dates for some of next year´s events are
now set;
February 6th ......Games Night at Rumours
March 19th ........Race Night at Kennellys
April 18th ..........A Dance Night at Rumours
May tba ............Barbeque
Action: All committee members to actively seek more volunteers,
storage space, and goods for the auction.
A piece in the Courier...................................Action
Roy
Appeal on the notice board in Kennellys......Action Roy
Access to C and D from the Motorway:
A complaint has been made that ther are no signs for C and D and
that visitors and delivery men have no idea where to go.
We will ask Joaquin to bring this to the attention of the Ministry
of roads when he meets with them.
Action:
Roy to contact Joaquin
Courier
Editorial Committee.
Ideally this would be a sub-committee of four persons. We currently
have a team of three.
Mary stressed that in order to be able to proof-read the Courier
properly, we need to ask
Rod to provide a hard copy proof 4-5 days before going to press.
Chairman agreed to write a letter to that effect f.a.o. Rod.
Action:
Roy Pugh
Translations:
It was agreed that, whenever possible, all translations will be
done by Irache Merino, with the exception of documents with legal
implications which will be dealt with by Joaquin.
Updating
of Membership Register:
Mary reported that Tony Butler, now resigned from the committee,
has kindly offered to carry on with this task until such time
as Mary is back in action.
Agenda,
Item 4. Accounts for December Courier.
A full account of all CRA Bank a/c´s will be published in
the December Courier in order that all members can be aware of
our finances.
Action: Mary Cooper
Agenda,
Item 5. Committee Member Article in Courier.
Chair put forward the idea that a member of the committee might
like to write an article, on whatever subject they wished, to
be included in the Courier. Irache offered to write a piece about
Christmas in Spain, and Brian Tokely a piece about the Bahia Hotel
and its history.
Action: Irache Merino and Brian Tokely
Agenda,
Item 6. Co-opted Committee Members.
Brian asked the Chair, is it in the Articles of the CRA that we
can co-opt members on to the Committee? Roy stated that the sequence
of events leading to the co-opting of the most recent member to
the Committee , was in keeping with said Articles.
He went on to say that the Committee is still one member short,
and has no one in reserve
to call on.
It was suggested we put an article in the Courier, (perhaps targetting
victims of Touristico laws and subsidence) asking for interested
parties to volunteer their services.
Proposed: Max Minter seconded Brian Tokely
Carried unanimously.
Agenda,
Item 7. Nominations for Executive Positions.
This item deferred to next meeting as Irache, who had raised this
item, had to leave to return to work.
Action:
Deferred to next meeting.
There being no other business,the meeting closed at 4.30pm.
Date of next meeting; January 9th 2008
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Camposol
Resident´s Association
Meeting with Masa
Wednesday 21st November 2007
Those Present:
Roy Pugh Chairman, C.R.A.
Brian Tokely Vice Chair,
Joyce Stewart Member,
Daniel Bascuñana GrupoMasa
Fernando ?? GrupoMasa interpreter
The meeting opened promptly at 6pm.
Daniel apologised for having to cancel the last scheduled meeting
due to illness.
Item 1. Update on surveys of faxed properties (8 on D7, 1 on C14)
Daniel showed the work schedule and advised of the work already
in progress. He produced the fax which Roy sent to him after the
last meeting about the 9 houses not then inspected. He then showed
a letter, saying that 4 owners on D7 had retained a lawyer of
their own. The letter also mentioned a further 4 houses though
it seemed the second 4
owners had not retained the services of said lawyer.
Roy was asked to clarify with all 8 owners whether they intend
to deal with their problems through their own lawyer or through
the CRA as Masa can only deal with one or the other. Roy agreed
to do this, but reminded Daniel of the 1 property on C14 which
is urgently in need of inspection.
Item 2. Progress on B4 & B5 Escrituras.
Roy told Daniel that he had passed on to owners of the houses
on B4 which have no Escrituras the Customer Services number given
to him at our last meeting. That one owner had rung this number
and received a courteous and reassuring response, but that another
who rang was passed from one number to another receiving neither
help nor courtesy along the way. Daniel noted this and will hopefully
deal with the person(s) concerned. Brian then asked could all
the Head Office staff be made aware of the advice given to us
by Daniel in order that all are “singing from the same songsheet”.
He agreed, and said that Masa is dealing with the Ayuntamiento
on the issue of these escrituras.
With reference to B5, he said there are no problems relating to
the legality of any of the houses on B5.
Item 3. Qualify cleaning responsibility on B Commercial Centre.
We knew the Centre had been cleaned the day before this meeting.
Roy thanked Daniel for his intervention, and expressed the hope
that this work will be ongoing. He then asked would it be possible
to have the walls of the pedestrian ramp painted. Both sides agreed
graffiti is a problem, light coloured walls might attract more
graffiti, but bare cement and black walls are really ugly.Daniel
noted our request.
Item 4. Progress with Correos.
Roy asked has any progress been made with Correos reference an
office on Camposol, adding that we are aware that Masa lease out
the units on B commercial and that Correos will not rent, they
want to own their properties. Daniel told us that Masa is in talks
with Correos in Valencia with reference to deeds for land on Camposol.
He pointed out that this will need the support of the local Ayuntamiento
and that Masa are in talks with them on many Camposol topics—B4
escrituras, Correos etc.
Item
5. Rubbish bins on Sector D.
Roy told of the resident´s concerns about the 40+ bins lined
up on Sector D: that they are a traffic hazard, unsightly, and
attracting vermin as they are full to overflowing. It is accepted
that the situation has been caused, in part, by people not wanting
bins near their own homes and moving them to this one place. Daniel
queried whether we were asking for more bins or more frequent
emptying. Our answer was either or both. Our concerns were noted
and this
subject will be raised again if there is no improvement.
We then asked could an area be designated where garden rubbish
could be burned. Roy told of a recent incident when Masa employees
set fire to the huge heap of waste on A and the Guardia Civil
appeared and made them put the fire out. Daniel agreed to ask
of the Ayuntamiento if this is possible and also, as no-one can
light a fire any where in Spain without a permit,he will ask for
a one day per week permit.
This ended today´s agenda.
With apologies for the lack of prior notice, Roy gave to Daniel
for his attention:
A list of recently reported swimming pool related problems from:
Mr. And Mrs. S. Newman Mr. And Mrs. Lilley
Mr. And Mrs. J.Gray Mr. And Mrs. Leslie
Mr. S.Long
A query from B. Warren and R. Lisson who have been waiting 4 years
for their Escritura, and A report from B.Nouch on D29 of a 25
hour lack of electricity due to a non-functioning generator.
The meeting closed at 6.50pm. Next meeting arranged for Wednesday
12th December.
The
Treasurer stated that she would like to see monies for advertising
collected and available in advance of each edition rather than
retrospectively which is the case at present. At the same time,
Mary said, we have a new member on the Courier team, who is dedicated
to looking after the advertising and finances therefore it is
hoped that we can very soon get ourselves into this position.
Further discussion took place, the general opinion of the committee
was that the Courier has to support itself, that advertising money
must be available up front and that they could not afford nor
were they prepared to subsidise it anymore. In light of this Tony
Butler proposed that any decisions about the future of the Courier
should be put off until after the A.G.M. the proposal was seconded
by Irachi, and carried unanimously by the rest of the committee.
Information: All
2. New Camposol Courier - Editorial Board:
Brian stated that being on the editorial board involves much reading
and as he has problems with his sight he is finding it more difficult
to perform these duties therefore, he wanted to resign his position.
Roy thanked him for his input so far and asked for volunteers
from the committee to fill this position and the one other vacant
position we already have. After some discussion it was proposed
that Max Minter and Irachi Merino take up these two positions,
both Max and Irachi accepted this proposal which was carried unanimously.
The New Camposol Courier editorial board now consists of: Rathnait
Mullen, Mary Cooper, Irachi Merino and Max Minter.
Information: All
3. New Camposol Courier – Web Site:
Some discussion took place around the ownership of the license
for the New Camposol Courier Web Site also, whether the site could
be developed to incorporate advertising, as the web secretary
was not present at the meeting the committee proposed that this
should be re-visited at a later date.
The Web Secretary is Rathnait Mullen who obtains full responsibility
for the upkeep and updating of the web site, however, the committee
felt that for emergency situations, where the web secretary could
not carry out her duties for whatever reason, there should be
at least one other person on the editorial board with the ability
to carry out these duties, this person should also have knowledge
of the password at all times. This proposal was unanimously carried
and will be further discussed at the next meeting.
Information: All
ITEM 4
Meeting with Masa:
Following the last meeting with GrupoMasa Roy reported that there
had been no contact other than Friday 20th April where Masa promised
to came back to us with a proposal for D7. However the next meeting
has been scheduled for Thursday 3rd May and this subject will
be top of the agenda. The committee felt they wanted to give Masa
the benefit of the doubt at this stage and would like to believe
that Masa do have good intentions. It is thought that the delay
could mean that the D7 problems have proved to be much greater
than was first anticipated hence the delay in putting forward
the proposal.
The
Agenda for the next meeting which will take place on Thursday
3rd May at 5pm is as follows.
1. Proposal for D7
2. Touristico Properties
3. Street Lighting
4. GrupoMasa timescales for completion of Sectors B, C, &
D and an update on progress for Sector A takeover.
Action: Mary Cooper to arrange interpreter and to email the above
agenda to Garrigues for translation into Spanish and forward to
Daniel Bancuñana (GrupoMasa) (29/4/07 - this action is
complete the Interpreter is arranged and Daniel Bascuñana
has confirmed his attendance)
Mary Cooper to also email Daniel Bascuñana for an update
on the D7 proposal. (29/4/07 this action also complete, although
no reply to date)
ITEM 5
Meeting with the Mayor:
The C.R.A has been invited to a meeting with the Mayor on Monday
30th April at 10am in the Town Hall. The agenda will be the contents
of the 8 page letter requesting a meeting sent to the Mayor on
Friday 30th March.
ITEM 6
Sector A Takeover scheduled for 15th May 2007:
The committee have grave concerns that although the ‘takeover’
of Sector A by Mazarron Town Hall has been announced to the C.R.A.
by GrupoMasa and the fact that at this point in time an Entity
still exists. No one has approached any of the residents of Camposol
for their opinion on this matter and information has not been
made available as to what the implications of such an entity are.
The committee will endeavour to raise this topic in their meeting
with the Mayor, failing this the committee will be asking for
an update on progress in the meeting with Daniel Bascuñana
on Thursday 3rd May.
ITEM 7
Any other Business:
a)
Brian Tokely asked if the Garden Party he had planned, to raise
funds for the C.R.A could be postponed to a later date as he has
many other commitments at this present time. The committee agreed
b) Mary Cooper stated that the tickets for the C.R.A. Race Night,
to be held at Kennelly’s on Friday 25th May, are now ready,
they are priced at €3. Mary asked all members of the committee
to promote the selling of these. Any profits made from this evening
will go towards the Lawyers Fund.
c) Max Minter asked if a date had been set for the C.R.A, Annual
Assembly. This will take place on Wednesday 18th July, further
details to be announced.
There being no other business the meeting closed at 17:35
Date of Next Meeting: Wednesday 9th May at 14:30
Footnote; A Meeting was held on Wednesday 25th April to discuss
the problems with Touristico properties on Camposol. The meeting
was attended by more than 350 residents who are affected by this
problem.
Joaquin Ataz Ruiz, C.R.A. Lawyers, Garrigues announced to the
meeting that in the case of Camposol the law regarding the classification
of the land designated for these properties is not regional but
local, added to this it is illegal to mix residential properties
and touristico properties in the same urbanisation. Therefore,
Joaquin felt, that the first point of action to be taken in clearing
up this problem was to try and get this law changed.
Roy Pugh asked for the opinion of the meeting to be expressed
by a show of hands for or against this action, a member of the
meeting put forward the proposal which was accepted unanimously
by the rest of the attendees with no objections or abstentions.
Joaquin will therefore endeavour raise this subject with the Mayor,
on behalf of the C.R.A, at the meeting on Monday 30th April. |
